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I dont think you could end up with a tulpa that genuinely hates you or is dangerous in some way unless you intentionally tried to make one like that

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I wouldn’t recommend trying of course

of course

Remember, tulpa are ultimately still you

3:26 AM

it's all one brain

3:26 AM

even if there are separate identity functions running around in there

I wouldnt say they are you, but they are in the same brain and body. If they were to hurt you, they would also be hurting themselves. Most people will not be that self destructive

Everyone’s experience is different from what I know

Yeah, I agree with Ink, as a system who’s had their fair share of conflicts, no matter how bad things have gotten, nobody has been that spiteful as to do something that hurts them just to hurt the other person

Ink🧶

I wouldnt say they are you, but they are in the same brain and body. If they were to hurt you, they would also be hurting themselves. Most people will not be that self destructive

Yeah--I meant you in the physical sense; one brain, one body. Ultimately, identities in the brain best help themselves by treating that as something they are positively-responsible for. Hurting other headmates doesn't help that, and neither does abusing the body in some way

is there anything important I should take note of

3:33 AM

or have any concerns about?

not really no, not in the context of risks at least

Nothing to have concerns about--but believing the process will work is a critical component in it working in the first place

of course

3:41 AM

so how do I start

3:42 AM

I've never done this before and I want to make sure im doing it right

It's a very personal experience--there is no real wrong way to start. As a suggestion for how to get started, it might be worthwhile to spend some time thinking about what you want out tulpamancy. What kind of friend you'd like, how you'd like to experience it--those kinds of things

3:43 AM

That's just a suggestion for a first exercise; ongoing, the thing that keeps tulpas alive (and creates them in the first place) is attention from the original/host

Sploda

It’s a risk if you’re the one in control

Is there something you're not telling me?

Luminesce: this is pretty ironic (edited)

3:45 AM

since the only chance this happens is if you believe it's going to, so saying "it's worth mentioning the possibility" is creating the possibility, lol

That can take a lot of forms. One of the most common is narration. So, for example, watching a movie you like, and explaining what you like about it to them. "Talking to them" is very subjective--whatever feels right is right. You can visualize a form you think is appealing, you can imagine it's working and just talk in your head or aloud

>_ott0

I've never done this before and I want to make sure im doing it right

But, yeah. Basically: attention is what makes tulpas grow. Paying attention to them by talking, by listening, by doing something with them, those are all possibilities for ways to start

3:48 AM

There's also other things that tulpamancers like to do, like create wonderlands--which are internal worlds or spaces; you can inhabit them through visualization and/or by collaboratively storytelling about them with your tulpa (collaborative daydreaming, in a sense)--but anything you want to do is probably a good idea :) Whatever motivates you

>_ott0

so how do I start

Luminesce: Talk to your tulpa-to-be as if they're there listening to you and wanting to respond. Try not to doubt responses being them or not, since you need to teach your brain "Yes, there's another person in my head who says things, and it's not me" - so "It's just me" thoughts are necessarily counter to that. But it's fine to designate certain thoughts as "That was my tulpa", "That was just a fluff/meaningless thought", "My tulpa would not say that", and "That was me" - to help keep clear to your brain what should and should not be considered your tulpa But, defaulting to not doubting them - but understanding that early tulpa vocality tends to be noncommittal/chaotic and somewhat random, so not to take anything they say too seriously until they're later clearly vocal & speaking in coherent full sentences - should be enough to establish the basic tulpamancy experience (edited)

3:49 AM

I don't think guides are necessary past having the basics explained like this, the experience is mostly created by you, your expectations and beliefs about what should happen, and practice

3:49 AM

(Your tulpa should start to sound/feel more like them and less like you with practice over time, even though they often start out as sounding like you)

>_ott0

I've never done this before and I want to make sure im doing it right

There is no such thing as a correct way to do tulpamancy. Tulpamancy is a personal practice, not a science. Additionally, advice from guides are a suggestion and it's okay to reject advice you don't feel comfortable with or think is not related to you. Additionally, there is no such thing as a universal approach to making tulpas either. People have different experiences and will inevitability give conflicting advice. When that happens, just pick your favorite and if that doesn't work try the other option. (edited)

There being no 'right' answer can be one of the worst and best things about tulpamancy :D It can be frustrating at times not having a step-by-step, but it is also liberating because there are no real restrictions

3:51 AM

for example, switching is still difficult bullshit for me and blanka, and getting there is a process which takes a mental process which is very hard for me to access

I just now realized I think it's better to ask, what is the experience you want to have? I think focusing on that will help a lot

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It's a very personal experience--there is no real wrong way to start. As a suggestion for how to get started, it might be worthwhile to spend some time thinking about what you want out tulpamancy. What kind of friend you'd like, how you'd like to experience it--those kinds of things

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Oh crap, I missed that, I'm sorry (edited)

no worries, I phrased it slightly differently and did not ask them to post it here--I think it would be good to hear it from them, and not just have them say it to themselves haha

Reisen

since the only chance this happens is if you believe it's going to, so saying "it's worth mentioning the possibility" is creating the possibility, lol

I guess you’re right

3:55 AM

Hmm

Luminesce: In the sense that no one who has ever gone in expecting a positive tulpa has ended up with a negative one. (edited)

3:57 AM

Certain cases, people who've gone in with a little too loose of expectations have ended up with tulpas who have problems (depression or other issues), though that's just something that can happen when you let your imagination fill in the blanks on such important concepts instead of guiding the experience at least a little yourself

3:58 AM

If you intend to create a positive (or at least neutral lol) mental companion, that's generally what you get

3:58 AM

Tulpas have no innate reason to want anything negative for the body/brain they inhabit

3:58 AM

Unless you let your brain think creepypasta stuff can actually happen, then you may subconsciously guide it to play out like that ~~because you're dumb~~

3:59 AM

(I've met incredibly few "depressed tulpas" in systems where the host wasn't depressed in the same way, so that can be chalked up to letting your imagination fill in the gaps of expectation I'd say)

4:00 AM

Situational depression aside of course

4:00 AM

That can happen to anyone

Technically there is the exception of just having bad social skills and you and your tulpa in-head having issues because you offended one another and can't work things out civilly and such. But that falls more on the mental health side of things. Otherwise, I agree with Lumi that what you expect is usually what you get

A long kiss goodnight

I just now realized I think it's better to ask, what is the experience you want to have? I think focusing on that will help a lot

me?

Yes

I guess I want something like

4:54 AM

where we can help each other grow as people

4:54 AM

or a person

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whatever

4:54 AM

if thats even possible

I’d say just talking to each other helps, or letting them interact with the outside world freely.

yeah

4:56 AM

I don't know its just like

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I feel

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incomplete

>_ott0

or a person

no it's fair to consider both of you to be separate people (at least personality-wise) (edited)

4:57 AM

i'm early along too but the way i've taken to relating myself and my headmate to our shared body is just that, referring to it as 'the body'

>_ott0

incomplete

and i think it's also fair to consider yourself like this with the intention of forming a lifelong companionship, as long as you keep the relationship healthy. let them grow into their own, and don't see them as a complete extension of yourself, but as someone sharing your experience, more or less.

Yeah

5:03 AM

I see that they do that so I wouldn't try to contain it

>_ott0

I feel

Feel free to look at the 42 & 1/2 things to do with your tulpa and the topics list guide. Otherwise, searching online lists for random hobbies or topics to learn about could be helpful Like what is a zebra fish Guides: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/7595-42-12-things-to-do-with-your-tulpa/ https://community.tulpa.info/topic/14914-topics-to-talk-about-with-your-tulpa/ (edited)

42 1/2 Things to Do with Your Tulpa

42 1/2 Things to Do with Your Tulpa Write a story together.Stage a debate. Flip a coin to pick sides.Do yoga in wonderland with your tulpa.Read your tulpa a book.Start a conversation with your tulpa. Each statement your tulpa makes has to be longer than the last one. See if you can get them rambl...

Topics to Talk About with Your Tulpa

During narration, it's easy to reach a mental block and become unable to think of what to talk about to your tulpa. This list provides you with many different options for topics to use during narration, conversation, and vocality practice. For narrating, talk to your tulpa about anything that int...

i know it's unwise to compare your own progression to others, but i am just a bit curious about this; when did you notice your tulpa gaining sentience? what were the first signs? (edited)

Not a tulpamancer, but I've seen responses to this question range from "instantly" to "it took several months or more with minimal progression".

Luminesce: Some would call that "Time Until You Stopped Doubting".. (edited)

6:33 AM

The only reason tulpamancy advice isn't constant "Just believe!! Just have faith!! Don't doubt anything!!" is that that, of course, sounds awful lol

6:33 AM

My own hypothetical intuitive response to that would be "So, there's nothing actually to it, you just have to convince yourself you're experiencing something?"

6:34 AM

But the trick is that your brain starts shaping the actual experience in response to your belief about your tulpa existing

6:34 AM

But that, is hard to explain, or even fully put into words

6:35 AM

The best I can normally give is that your tulpa will often sound like your own thoughts early on, but over time develop their own voice and "feel", until you forget they ever didn't sound/feel like them

6:36 AM

I actually think a lot of people forget how unconvincing tulpamancy experiences could be at the start by comparison to what they're used to now, lol.

6:36 AM

Although some of the more imaginatively-open types do start with a tulpa who sounds unique/independent, which while they're barely any more substance to them at the start than anyone else's, does skyrocket development speed

6:39 AM

Luminesce: Maybe some day I'll write a small "guide" with better-collected thoughts and phrasing about this concept. I really think if you just understand the core processes, it erases the need to doubt at all and anyone of any mindset could make progress very quickly. Assuming they believed me, I guess. (edited)

Reisen

But that, is hard to explain, or even fully put into words

shit, no that actually makes a lot of sense. i guess i was under the assumption there was gonna be some kind of lightbulb moment where you hear "their" voice for the first time or they give a complete left-field response, but it really is this gradual buildup to a plateau of independence, isn't it? no sudden spikes or jumps. like building muscle or training a hobby.

There might be an "aha" moment, it depends.

Luminesce: Gee, that realization would've saved countless people a lot of doubt (edited)

But that being said, it does generally rest on your belief that what you're doing is working, and accepting responses as your tulpa's even if you have doubts.

Luminesce: Waiting for "an alien voice" (and so rejecting anything else) is one of the worst offenders for blocking progress, or at least it was in the past, luckily not as much expectation for that these days (edited)

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i guess i'm making a lot more progress than i thought, then. my headmate doesn't necessarily have a very discrete personality from mine yet but it feels like they can actually talk to me pretty well.

They'll get a more distinct personality the more you talk to them anyways, so it's good to keep it up

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Reisen

But that, is hard to explain, or even fully put into words

it’s as if words don’t help beginners in an experiental practice

Don't worry, I think I did a good enough job with those words

i know it's unwise to compare your own progression to others, but i am just a bit curious about this; when did you notice your...

@kaybee - jump i could try to help you some other tome if you would like but things like that work much better in private if you feel comfortable with it

8:44 AM

i did manage to help people with progress

So I have a question about vocalization. I asked some other before and it really helped but now we kinda stuck at moment when Ilinel can speak a litle bit but it is very rare thing and she cant usually say more than 4 words. Can you please give some advice?

10:03 AM

Like we uh practice a lot and we didnt get any progress in it for month or smt

shit, no that actually makes a lot of sense. i guess i was under the assumption there was gonna be some kind of lightbulb mome...

@kaybee - jump For me it was a "it just clicked" moment. Like my brain figured it out or something. Some people do have an aha moment, but usually if they have been struggling for a long time.

Reisen

My own hypothetical intuitive response to that would be "So, there's nothing actually to it, you just have to convince yourself you're experiencing something?"

I disagree there's nothing to it, I think the advice to help with vocality and framing your expectations can be helpful. However, vocality does seem as difficult as switching sometimes, oh wait... Otherwise, I agree. Tulpamancy is literally the practice of convincing yourself there's another person in your head. But it works!

Reisen

The only reason tulpamancy advice isn't constant "Just believe!! Just have faith!! Don't doubt anything!!" is that that, of course, sounds awful lol

I hope by you and I sharing advice like this can help people build trust

Reisen

But that, is hard to explain, or even fully put into words

I have tried to come up with a consistent model for vocality, but it's pretty inconsistent. For some people, it comes across as purely a mindset issue. There's a lightbulb ohhhh I need to accept my tulpa's responses more. Given that these people are typically in the several months+ group, I'm assuming that there's an aspect that bothers them (fear, stress, an obstacle, etc.) that hindered their progress and that was resolved by the time the lightbulb went off. For context, I think it would be helpful to cover the balancing part of my model. Vocality is a game of accepting responses as your tulpa vs the gut reaction to dismiss them because they sound like you. Most if not all vocality advice has 1 goal- reassurance. Whether you parroted your tulpa, believed every resoponse was theirs, searched for head pressure responses, used a pendulum, and so on, it is all about feeling better to accept the given responses as your tulpa. That being said, it's not a hopeless cause. Certain tips like my exploration approach and my advice, "focus on their response being relevant not if it's you" are attempts to solve blockages that could be causing the stress. My hope is that parrotnoia is innately just a series of blockages that can be resolved, but idk However, despite all of this reassurance, it's a coping aid, not a fix. Hearing the advice generally doesn't guarantee a fix for the very parrotnoid. Given Gray's experience, that led me to my second theory- it just clicks. My other explanation is that vocality is like learning how to ride a bike. Struggling over and over until suddenly it just works. It is consistent with some people's experiences, and like riding a bike, once you are comfortable with having your tulpas that seems to sit with you forever. However, I think the only way to see if this is remotely true without science is to have someone who had a tulpa, drop tulpamancy, and then come back years later to start again.

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=== Okay that was a lot, I wanted to square that all away before getting to Orion so they can get the spotlight (edited)

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So I have a question about vocalization. I asked some other before and it really helped but now we kinda stuck at moment when Ilinel can speak a litle bit but it is very rare thing and she cant usually say more than 4 words. Can you please give some advice?

Oh... aha... Here I am talking about my technical theories for vocality

It may not be the most helpful though, I think instead it would be better to find the time to talk it out. I can give you my catalog of advice, but I think it would be more helpful to bring it up in the moment to not overwhelm you (edited)

Well I will be glad to any advice

Howdy! What kind of questions are you asking Ilinel?

Well about how she feels what she thinks about some kind of things like music etc and well just what she whould like to do maybe

Those sound like really good questions And you only get a 4 word response, hmm. I want to see if part of the issue may be bucking the automation process. Automation is when your brain simulates a person to the extent it feels real. The secret is this process is used for your identity, as well as a tulpa's. To teach what automation is, I think it would be helpful to see yourself simulate a character. What's a fictional character you're familiar with? (edited)

well Guts from berserk or just if we take book maybe Aragorn from LOTR

1:22 PM

If im sure I got your question right eh